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Dragons Valley :: View topic - I've come out of the closet...
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: I've come out of the closet...
I cannot even believe what I just did yesterday, I actually came out of the closet by telling my mom point blank about my belief. I was all miserable and angry holding this concept in my mind the whole time to the point where I could not take it anymore. I HAD to say something even against my will.
My mom is a Christian by the way so this made it even harder. I had a nervous breakdown and she put her arms around me saying "Tell me straight up, are you gay? Are you a devil worship? No, I replied to both of these because I stay away from the occult myself. Then out of the blue she just said "Do you believe in reincarnation and that you are a dragon?" I could not believe what I was hearing, I mean, how did she automatically know about my secret? She's old-school and doesn't know about the internet so she has to be pyschic lol.
Anyway, I just told her that I do believe that I was a dragon in my past life and I still am in spirit now and that I guess that automaticall made me evil under her standards. But surprisingly she said that although they are depected as evil in her beliefs, it was not the case for me(or others) and that being a dragon represents strength. It just felt like a ton of weight lifted off of me. Now that's not to say that I am still not going through a few things, but the road has gotten smoother. The only question that I have to ask now is whether or not I have an identity crisis with a need to be labeled like other people say lol. But I am 100 percent sure that I am a dragon whether other people believe or not. It's not denying humanity, besides, in reality we are in human form.
So anyway, mom now knows that I am not the only one who believes this way and she gave me a message for you guys to be who you are and just keep the faith. I must say that I am a bit baffled because this strikes me as particualry odd coming from a Christian but good is good I guess.
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject:
Cool mother you've got. Deserves a lot of respect for being able to accept you as you are. Looks like it's been a rough time leading up to this point, though be mindful about who you admit this to as not everyone takes it as well as your mother did.
As for the Christian thing, Lucifer is/was an angel. Happened to possibly take the form of a dragon (people aren't even certain about the translation), so no people assume dragons are bad because Lucifer took the form of one. It strikes me as odd to consider all dragons evil just because 'the bad guy' happened to impersonate one. So I figure it's an individual belief whether dragons are evil or not, rather than one based off of religion (though one can try and justify it through that).
Anyways, congratulations on successfully coming out to your mother about your beliefs and I hope your relationship with her only strengthens from it. _________________ ACKNOWLEDGE! // SUBMIT!
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject:
Wow that's great ^_^ Congratulations! I can understand how hard that must of been, My mother Christian too though I don't think she'd be as understanding as yours. Once again Congratulations and I agree with Mojo she deserves alot of respect for being so understanding. ^_^ _________________ Life is too short to be normal so I obey the Great Shinney and always remember the joys of randomly blowing things up ^_^
Thanks guys, and I wish you all the best of luck also. My mom told me not to be intimidated by what outside people may think and just be proud of my beliefs nevertheless(grant that it's hard to do around strangers) but where there's a will, theres a way.
I know this kind of feeling; i've been there. was raised in penticostal/baptist sorts of stuff myself. I guess that would explain the feelings of christ being nearby the other day when I first got your message.
I would, if I could, point out a few things about dragons and unciorns and such in the bible, because they are there, all over the place, and they are just as much god's creatures as man are.
I mean, crack the bible open to job 39 and read till you get to job 42. you will pass unicorns, dragons, behemoths, the pleiades, orion, and more.
I know at first it will seem hard or almost impossible to reconcile draconity with christianity. depending on who is believing what and how strongly they defend their beliefs. so it depends. but if you think its hard, I want to say that things learned, the right things, can reconcile even these two seeming opposites. granted, it takes a lot of knowledge and a lot of reading outside the bible (which christians dont often do. they tend to weigh everything on one single book. most don't even know that a catholic bible has more than 8 extra books in it, beyond the normal 66.
and even fewer know that islamics and those "radically insane believers in allah" have their entire scriptures peppered with people like abraham, moses, archangel michael and gabriel, jesus, and more.
even fewer still, in other countries, ever realize that books like the torah have something in common with the bible, and so on and so on.
most christians, especially the ones who believe in 6-day (6,ooo year creation) theory, who take the alegory of a day as is a thousand years and a thousand years as is a day instead of seeing that it means timelessness... don't really know much about stars.
test it. ask your average christians what the stars are. see if anyone tells you that they are suns. "suns? we only have one sun"
educate them a bit on hubble imagery. show them what stars really are (huge, flaming, hydrogen and helium spheres.. know what I mean?)
and educate them a bit in the area of astrophysics.
no I don't want to flame christians here or put them down. what I am saying is.. most probably don't even know what stars are. or the fact that stars make up a galaxy. and that there are billions, and billions, of galaxies, all made up of stars, with planets orbiting around them.
get them over to google and google galaxies/hubble imagery. do some teaching. expand them past a single book. know what I mean?
"if all the things christ had done were written in books, the world could not contain them"
perhaps she would be interested in discussing a little bit with another person who had to reconcile christianity with draconity... she at least could know that there are others.
I understand your point, but after pondering about this for a long time, I come to the conclusion that there is no way to combine Draconity and Christianity because the two just don't go together. If God is a real being then it is obvious that he's not too fond of dragons, hence the reason they were all described as evil beings. Having that said, that is why I have come to believe in a supreme dragon creator instead and it I must say that it really has helped. Like another draconic friend of mine said "what's the purpose of worshipping something if it's going to throw you into a fiery inferno anyway?". But don't get me wrong, I have respect for other people's beliefs but it just doesn't seem to work for me personally speaking.
But yesterday you said that you felt a Christ prescence when I sent you a message? I am curious about this. Was it good or bad?
the christ I know was a man. not god incarnate, anymore than you or me is god incarnate; god is all things... god is the multiverse, god is life. life itself is the universe. thus, life is god.
just be cause an outdated, wrongly-described god of the old testament was painted out to be a judgemental angry 4-year old, does not make it true.
just be cause the christ was an amazing MAN, also does not make it true.
I would like you think of the possibility that christ was an amazing man, but a man no less, no more- and a man who was in touch with the REAL god, and who tried to preach about the real god being a god of compassion who detested blood sacrifices, which he attempted to abolish by sacrificing himself. one of the many, many reasons to which he sacrificed himself.
even having done so, he could not change the minds nor completely wipe the beliefs of those who believed in the angry-4-year-old tantrum throwing old testament god. so, over time his teachings about service and compassion got mixed together with the idea of the tantrumish-vengefull old testament god, creating a sort of hybrid religion. thus the differences between the "old" and "new" testament.
it doesnt seem possible to bridge the old testament god with draconity- and you are right- because noone could and it isnt reality.
however, reality IS reality, and in reality, the the god which is all things including christ, can blend with draconity simply and absolutely. it isnt difficult- it requires a change in beliefs about who the true god is.
the true god is love. the true god is me, you, christ, the ants, the rocks, the water, the trees.
jesus understood this but couldn't quite get a clear message through to the masses through the centuries, so he said things that got described this way: "I and my father are one" "you and I are one" "if I am in you and I am in the father then you are in the father also". etc etc etc.
if you want to know who god really is, the god christ knew, I suggest reading these books:
conversations with god, books 1, 2, 3, friendship with god. by neale donald walsch.
as far as the presence I sensed, its the same presence I often sense. the christ I know. the man who died and indeed rose again 2000 years ago. (many mages, man sha'an, have indeed risen their bodies back to life and conquered death. christ was one of them.)
Hi there, you're right. What if am actually worshipping God anyway but only in dragon form, a form that is more comfortable with me? Anyway, I have heard the voice of this golden dragon(a small, still voive) and he has spoken to my heart repeatedly telling me that he loves me and all others.
Oh and Draconity IS reality for whoever believes in it, but it depends on what the person chooses to believes.
the god I work with, whom I call ahanah, often appears to me in the form of a golden woman. but sometimes, a golden dragon, or a golden dragoness.... depending on which form comforts me more at a particular time, or, what I desire to see creator as. the god I work with is the ultimate shapeshifter and will shift into whatever is the most effective and most healing, or usefull at the time. know what I mean? you might ask that dragon of yours more about what he or she is capable of. and run the name ahanah by him.
Ahanah the golden god/goddess? Ok, I will try that. And speaking of shape-shifting may I ask you something?(I know I ask too many questions but I am still in the process of spiritual learning) So far, I have four spiritual guides. The first one is the golden dragon who I refer to as Creator, and everytime I communicate with him, I always see visions of his image in the center of the sun for some reason. My second guide is a shape-shifting she dragon who's image appears in the center of the moon. Whenever she is not in dragon from, she comes in a form of a wolf and guides me emotionally. My third guide comes almost always in snake form(the head of a snake and the body of a man) but he has shape-shifted into a dragon and a lion before. He always teaches me about having strength. And as for my final guide, she is female but I rarely hear form her. She has communicated with me only twice, in the form of a dragon and a unicorn and that was it.
But on the other hand at times I can be minding my own business like working or watching TV and this suffocating and cold feeling will engulf me all of a sudden like the air was being sucked out of my body and this shadowy figure would dart by, sometimes in the form of a dragon and at others a lizard. I don't know how many times I had to convince myself with these words that what I am expereincing is NOT REAL!
I don't know about the shadow thing, but I do know that my good spiritual guides listed above are real but I just cannot understand what all of this means and why they come in so many forms.
as for your guides, the good ones, I don't know. I havent avidly poked them or connected with them much yet. maybe in time as I get to know you I can learn of them. I do have an interesting ability to learn things via osmosis sometimes.
as far as the cold reptilian-looking entity, sounds to me like one of "them"
one of "THOSE THINGS" as me and my group here likes to call them.
those are annunaki reptilian. bad news. they can shapeshift, a lot of them. also, a lot of them cannot. a few of them are good, but, most of the time they would like to tie a dragon up, lay them on a table, and do all sorts of imaginable and un-imaginable things to them.
this is why you might call me a force to be dealt with, concerning me and those. I know a lot about them, and I can get them out of your life mostly, if not entirely, with the help of angels and ahanah and other forces I work with. long story. if you want to learn more, I can help.
yeah. like, bind the hands, feet, mouth.. and do things I dont want to or need to speak about anymore. I think you could imagine.
ive been fighting them for years now, and I know how to deal with them, most of the time.
most of the time you can call upon forces of light (archangels such as gabriel, michael, raphael, uriel, ariel, zadkiel, safer raziel... anyone. do some research on angels)
you can also call on christ, his fellow forces; the great white brotherhood, the order of melchizidek, the pleiadian emisaries of light, the ashtar command, kryon, metatron, and/or any other forces of love and light and power that are available to escort said astral rapists and torturers into the light
give this world a hand and have a few taken up now.
So far, I have four spiritual guides. The first one is the golden dragon who I refer to as Creator, and everytime I communicate with him, I always see visions of his image in the center of the sun for some reason. My second guide is a shape-shifting she dragon who's image appears in the center of the moon. Whenever she is not in dragon from, she comes in a form of a wolf and guides me emotionally.
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Hi,
I can't answer any questions about your other two spirit guides, so I clipped them out. But the two mentioned in the above text remind me a lot of the Goddess and God that Wiccans constantly refer to. I've heard it said that the Goddess is represented in the sky by the moon, and the God is represented in the sun. From the description you've given, it sounds to me like a variation on the Goddess/God concept.
The other thing I would say, Hollyheart, is that there is a belief that spirit guides will come in whatever form is most comforting to the individual. In my case, for example, I have one spirit guide, my wyvern mate from a previous life. I don't really see her, but I know when she's there. One thing she does for me now, is she guards me at night while I'm sleeping. Since she has done this, I've awakened every morning with an amazing sense of joy, whereas I used to always wake up in a terrible sense of anger.
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But on the other hand at times I can be minding my own business like working or watching TV and this suffocating and cold feeling will engulf me all of a sudden like the air was being sucked out of my body and this shadowy figure would dart by, sometimes in the form of a dragon and at others a lizard. I don't know how many times I had to convince myself with these words that what I am expereincing is NOT REAL!
I don't know about the shadow thing, but I do know that my good spiritual guides listed above are real but I just cannot understand what all of this means and why they come in so many forms.
The shadow thing, as you call it, could be what Wiccans refer to as "Shadows." Some are believed to be just little tiny spiritual beasties that by themselves have very little effect on your spiritual strength. Others are more dangerous, like a small dog might be if it bites you. Still others are extremely dangerous spiritually, as these can be anything from a monster spirit in a lake, to another person you may or may not know.
These Shadows are believed to be evil because they feed off your spiritual energy. They can drain you, as one Shadow recently did to me, as you continue to focus your energies on negativity and hurtful things. I'm sure there are other ways they can hurt you, but that's what I remember reading on a Wiccan site I belong to.
In answer to your OP, I think it's outstanding that your mother understands. Like NahTahDahNah, I too was raised in a Christian environment (specifically Fundamental Baptist and later Pentecostal) and my love for dragons was constantly under attack in those churches. The very idea that a Christian would accept you for who you are and not try to make you change to fit what they perceive to be The Truth, is a wonderful thing to me. I am overjoyed to know that your mom has accepted your Draconity.
*chuckles a bit* I remember when I told my mom. I never told my dad because when I was growing up in their house I never really trusted him as much as I do now.
The FIRST thing my mom jumped to asking when I came to her upset and telling her there was something I wanted to tell her was if I was gay. This must be some sort of fear every parent has on the subconscious level, sadly.
...The answer I gave her was quite a bit more strange than that, though... She didn't judge me adversely and she never did, though I suspect she still think it's a fad I'm going to forget about eventually.
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My mom told me not to be intimidated by what outside people may think and just be proud of my beliefs nevertheless(grant that it's hard to do around strangers) but where there's a will, theres a way.
